The infamous “Captain Capitalism”, ie: Aaron Clarey, recently made post to his blog, which he then spoke about at length on one of his podcasts. The post is titled What if Women Just Don’t Like Men: The Economic Consequences of Women’s Divestment from Men. The TLDR is that now that women literally do not need men to survive because they can work, gain an income, own property and are essentially propped up by the government they are ditching men and marriage, entertaining the two only for sexual pleasure and children, the latter of which men are still required (but not even then, really). As is his schtick Cappy goes over the economic ramifications of the separation of the sexes and poses the question: Did women even ever really like men?
Cappy, I’m here to tell you: No. And they never have.
“Now wait, Snapper”, some might say, “I know lots of women who like men! I myself am a woman who likes men”, and to this I say, “Okay”. However, as with anything I say here, simply saying “men” or “women” never means 100% of all men or women who have lived throughout time. It simply means a preponderance of men or women, making the outliers the “not the norm”. If you are a woman who likes men, great, then this article will probably be an interesting read for you, but doesn’t necessarily apply to you – OR DOES IT?
As is my schtick, and since I know Cappy isn’t keen on religion, I am going to be looking at the question from a biblical standpoint and give my two cents as to why women have never really liked men, and what this means for the present day and the future of the West.
Genesis 3:16 [KJV] Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Biblically speaking we can see that almost from the beginning there has been enmity between men and women. After bringing sin into the world God curses the woman by saying he will “…greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children” (The NKJV explains a bit better: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;
In pain you shall bring forth children”). However the second part of the woman’s curse is what we are interested in here: “and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee”.
“…he shall rule over thee.”
Because of the foolishness of Eve her husband was placed in authority over her, but her desire would not be to follow her husband authority, but to rebel, and rule over him instead. This curse would follow all the daughters of Eve, throughout time. This means that, by default, women do not like men, but particularly when they are men who rule over their lives. This means fathers first, husbands second.
Everyone knows that young men rebel against their fathers, but most of the time this is just seen as said young man coming into his own. He is escaping from the confines of being a boy and starting to think for himself. His inexperience puts him at odds with his dad, who has been down many of the same roads before, but the young man feels his fathers ways are the old ways, and that his new ways are superior. Sometimes he is right, but many times he is wrong, and as time goes by he learns that his old man is far wiser than he originally thought, and humility takes hold of him.
The real lamentation, however, comes from a rebellious daughter. She often times doesn’t give a whit for her fathers wisdom because wisdom is of little to no value to her. Her coin is “E X P E R I E N C E”. We see this even in modern times where women want to experience everything they can, even to their detriment. They want the college experience. The Chad Thundercock experience. Even at the women at church live for the “church experience”. She doesn’t take issue with her fathers wisdom, she takes issues with her fathers rules and authority.
Now, that is not to say that the young men don’t also rebel against their fathers authority, but I, personally, come from a family of two boys (my brother and myself) and two girls (my sisters). I fought with my father because despite his advice I thought he was an idiot! He didn’t know the situation. He didn’t know how things were in the NOW world, he was speaking from his time, decades ago! How could he understand modern problems? My brother, I believe, fared much better. Whether because he witnessed the fighting between myself and our father or because I was married with kids while he was still in school, I don’t recall ever seeing him go toe to toe with our old man or ever recall him saying anything about it.
My sisters, however, were god awful to my parents, with much of it being my parents fault, mostly, I’d say, due to a churchian understanding of a father’s authority over his daughters and an already weak Western church to begin with. We were a christian family, attending church every Sunday, fellowshipping with other families, going to bible studies. It made little difference. One of my sisters was always sneaking out of the house to do the things she was told not to do. Partying, drinking, getting involved with thugs she had no business hanging around. She ended up getting pregnant after a conjugal visit in prison with her ex-boyfriend.
My other sister was a bit more tame than the other, but she too ended up getting pregnant outside of wedlock. Eventually she did get married and divorced, but the point was she followed pretty much the same road as her sister: Dad’s rules didn’t permit her to have the “experiences” everyone told her were so great in life, so she rebelled.
Despite their hatred for my fathers authority they chose to get married. Again a weak Western church teaches christian men that though the bible distinctly says they have authority over their wives in EVERY THING, they are taught that it is sin to ever use it, and the christian women have caught on. My first sister is now married to a man with whom she has several children, along with her daughter from her ex-boyfriend. Despite going to church and being a christian she treats her husband like a child, acting more like his mother than his wife, constantly chiding him and harping on him about this and that. Even my wife, whom I have spoken to at length on this blog, whom I consider to be “feminist-lite” can’t stand listening to my sister sink her teeth into her husband.
And so, everywhere we look, since the dawn of time, we have seen wives that rebel against their husbands, turning into heartless harpies. The bible itself laments their existence:
Proverbs 21:9 [KJV] It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.
And a mere ten verses later:
Proverbs 21:19 [KJV] It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.
And yet again in the same book:
Proverbs 25:24 [KJV] It is better to dwell in the corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman and in a wide house.
We see the rebellious wife in the book of Esther, when Vashti refuses a summons by the king, and his wise men lament that if word made it out that the queen herself was disrespectful toward her husband, every wife in all of Persia would turn against their husbands [Esther 1].
We see the rebellious and hateful wife of Job, who had it all, according to the scripture, as Job was very well to do and a big man about town. When it was all taken from them Job cried out to God. Unlike Job, however, his wife suffered none of the physical maladies satan meted out on her husband, yet she had the audacity to tell him to stop crying out and to simply give up his integrity, and to “curse God and die”.
This post waxes long, so I will try to get more quickly to the point.
Before biblical times, through biblical times and beyond biblical times even unto the more recent era there have been safeguards that have kept women from rebelling en masse in the majority of societies. Rebellious women would, at one time, be shunned by society, a steep price to pay for their “experience”. To be a loose woman, a drunk woman, a contentious woman, a heathen woman – these would all invite, from fellow citizens, a woman’s most lethal poison: Shame. Women are emotional creatures and there is little doubt they experience emotion on a much grander scale than men do (which could explain why they seek “experiences” so much), and to experience shame, already a heavy burden to bear for most men, is a crushing weight for a woman.
That shame, however, has been removed.
Another safeguard was the necessity of men in women’s lives simply for survival. In centuries long past there homes had to be built by hand of wood or stone. Few would the the woman, or women for that matter, that could perform such work. Food wasn’t picked up from a grocery store and would either have to be hunted daily or killed daily from a stock of kept animals. Even in large cities there was no way to get ahold of guards or whatever law enforcement might be available to ward of thieves or attackers. You had to have a husband for that! It would be even more difficult if you lived out in the woods or prairies, where the next closest human was a few miles away at best, and your only mode of transportation might be a horse or mule. Even a buggy or wagon wouldn’t be much of a solution unless it was all hooked up and ready to go in the time of trouble. Much of the work available that would pay a living wage was hard work that required the strength of men, and the idea of women working those jobs was laughable at best, as it should have been. Working in mines lifting tons of rock every day, cutting down huge trees and transporting them as logs, blacksmithing, farming – Its difficult now to look at those jobs and think, “Well women can do those jobs too!”, but we are talking a couple hundred to a few thousand years ago, with none of the modern technology that women enjoy using today in those jobs. No chainsaws, no forklifts or backhoes, not even comfortable shoes with cushioned insoles. Men were needed, and women needed men to survive.
That need, however, has been removed.
What we are seeing is not the transformation of women into mean-spirited, rebellious harpies. What we are seeing is the true nature of women coming through now that all of their limiters have been removed. Women aren’t starting to dislike men – they never have liked men, but now they can show it with little to no repercussion. Why deal with a man if you don’t need him for shelter, you can just work your own job and get an apartment? Why deal with a man if you don’t need him for food you can just go to the store and pick up a meal, already prepared, you just toss it in the oven or microwave? Why deal with a man at all when you can literally walk into a government building and, as a woman, get food stamps, cash and assistance (all tax raped from men, mind you)? Men have that deeply instilled expectation of: I am the husband. I am the captain of this ship. Its my way or the highway! Well, now women can just take that highway and be of no concern about THAT man! Not only that, but they can have all the “experiences” they want with little to no repercussion! Be a slosh? Join the club! Get knocked up? Shout your abortion! Let a football team run a train on you? Instagram it and mark that off your list! At any moment you can call the government funded goon square, aka: The Police, and have any man arrested if you just say those magick words: He. Raped. Me. Even if its a lie you’re likely to get off the hook with little more than a warning, and if any judge tries to come down hard on you then you just need to switch on the waterworks and talk about your daddy issues and how you were on your period and of course the meds for depression over your weight and boo-hoo-hoooooo!
Hyperbole? Nope. Every word I just said is the absolute truth. Search the internet. It wont take long until you find proof.
The only safeguard still in place that works, when applied correctly, is service to Christ. A woman who accepts Jesus as her savior and takes the scriptures to heart knows she must honor, obey and revere her husband, even when she doesn’t not like him. In fact, with this application she very well can like him and even love him! Even this safeguard, however, is in dire peril as most Western churches today teach such a warped version of scripture that many christian women feel that they stand between God and their husbands as some kind of holy arbiter. Many christian teachers actually strengthen this concept through the warped teachings of thinks like “If mama ain’t happy ain’t nobody happy”, or “Your wife is your spiritual compass” or “The aroma of godliness in the home comes from the happiness of the wife”! Again view Dalrock’s page while you still can to see countless examples of such anti-biblical, heretical teachings.
So what is the solution? Well, there really is none save the collapse of Western society and for women to be forced back into the need for a husband. The church of the West is hardly a solution now, since most christian women feel they are already following scripture by commanding their husbands about and the churches that teach true scripture are often referred to as “legalistic” because they understand the words of the bible to mean what they mean. This, most certainly, will keep most young men and women out of their pews, instead leading them to churchian mega-churches that use The Message as their primary version of the bible along with Joel Olsteen and a host of modern day, gag-me, “Jesus is my boyfriend” worship songs. That’s not to say that the word of God cannot instill these safeguards back into women, but without a vehicle for the word to reach them it is a sore bet to think they will find it on their own. That leaves only the collapse of the niceties and conveniences of the West, and the return to a woman needing a man for food, for shelter and for protection. From this point, from rock bottom, the men and women carrying God’s right word can instill the safeguards once enjoyed by society again.
So, TL:DR: No, Cappy. Women DO NOT like men. (And they never have).
I’d really love to see this analysis of yours, along with the link to Cappy’s original article, massed mailed to churchian pastors and “Christian” women’s groups to see how they would respond.
The term “nuclear” comes to mind.
Don’t get me wrong. Not all women dislike men. I think of women like Ame and I know that to be true, but I think, generally, men and women are alike in that, when they are given free reign to ditch morality and consequences they turn into horrible, horrible people. Where things differ here is that men are not being given free reign like women are, men are slaves to the state, and control is maintained through the courts and law enforcement. We have seen, in the past, that men can act the same way, and just looking at the story of Noah we can see that humanity can, and will, degrade into something horrific if allowed.
…and, people can always just share both articles online or mail them to whoever they want.
Please don’t take this as a retort, but: Do men like women? I know Adam was not cursed to have a specific problem with the opposite sex but the Bible does address a tendency in men to look down on women because they’re weaker. I guess you know what I’m referring to.
I don’t necessarily think that women’s dislike of men today stems from rebellion against a man’s authority, I mean, girls in the Western world are not brought up to even know that men are supposed to have that kind of authority over them (let alone believe it). I think it stems from what girls observe while they grow up and go to kindergarten and later school: They’re more mature than boys and outperform them. It starts with the tidier handwriting and exercise books and ends – at least in my form – with much more girls than boys in the difficult Latin, chemistry and physics courses. There was no male prefect and we had three headgirls. These impressions last, until this day I’m not surprised when I hear about grown up men who can’t even do the laundry. And I’m certainly not a manhater. I remember reading an article many years ago that suggested that there should be more schools only for boys again and I think that would be a good idea (it’s never going to happen though).
To the point of shame I wish to add that an unmarried woman who misbehaved would bring shame not only on herself but on her entire family and most devastatingly on sisters who are not yet married and looking for good husbands. (Read Jane Austen’s Pride & Prejudice and you’ll know that I’m referring to Lydia Bennet’s elopement while her four sisters are still single. Mr Bennet in this novel, however funny he is with his dry remarks, fails to put a stop to his daughter’s and wife’s embarrassing manners to his other daughters’ detriment. Great book, and funnier than you might think! Or watch the BBC’s miniseries of 1995.)
Ha! You’re question is a perfectly legitimate one, so don’t feel bad for asking.
Do men like women? I don’t think I can answer that one. Why? Because we know for sure men DESIRE women because they are wired to desire them. I had a guy over at Minds who insisted that when they perfect sex-bots and the artificial womb women will become extinct. I told him he was an idiot because even with perfected sex-bots men will always desire real, flesh-and-blood women, and there will always be something “uncanny valley” about artificial women that will make them a nice substitute, but never the preferred substitute. So I would say that there are some men who genuinely like women, just like there are some women who genuinely like men, but the fact that nearly all men DESIRE women kind of confuses things.
I would agree that much of the dislike of men from women today stems from what they learn growing up. Society and even their own mothers do a fine job of teaching them to hate men, but I believe the root cause stems from biblical rebellion and men dropping the reigns of authority given to them by God. Understand that I don’t entirely blame women, I have said on numerous occasions that men have certainly done their fair share in screwing up the natural order and shying away from the authority God gave them, but that doesn’t change the fact that shying away from that authority allowed women to grow in their rebellion, and the more rebellion that festers in them the more they hate those who have authority over them.
The shame you speak of is what I was referring to when I said that society used to have certain safeguards in place that kept women’s rebellion in check. The fact that a woman acting in a rebellious manner would bring shame on an entire household was a good safeguard, but these safeguards require older women to impose them on younger women and to teach younger women why those safeguards are good. The West lost that years ago when we got a generation of older women who instead taught the younger women lies about oppression and patriarchy and savage beatings at the hand of every man. Since then those safeguards have been removed and demonized while activities once shameful have been made goalposts. Have you gotten drunk and had sex in the bathroom of a bar with a random stranger? Well you should do it, its great! Have you had your first abortion? Girlfriend I am on my fifth and it is fabulous! You haven’t really lived until you’ve gotten your first STD! These this are abhorrent in nature but now made medals of honor by society and feminists. Like many things they might be fun at the time, but have long lasting negative effects.
Fortunately both young men and young women are starting to wake up a little, but it may already be too late, and there are still far too many feminist men and women out there. The nice thing is that THOSE men and women are refusing to breed en masse, while conservative men and women are still having children. Eventually the feminists may just die out, but conservatives still have the media and government to fight.
…while conservative men and women are still having children
Hopefully they’ll continue this trend by refusing the Davos Death Jab.
Her response is a typical woman’s response — the attempted tu quoque, even when it clearly doesn’t apply. The very idea that men don’t like women is ludicrous.
The vast majority of men don’t merely like women: they adore women to the point of worship. And that is the trouble.
Men like women far too much.
She makes one good point in that females now have a ridiculously overinflated opinion of their worth, owing to their performance in a heavily feminised schooling system, where females are quite openly favoured and males demonised. It is amusing to see that males, fed up with an anti-male racket, are now dropping out as early as possible, and not bothering with higher education — and still this is said to affect women most! (“Women hit by lack of men on campus!”)
But ego-massage of females — in education and everywhere else — is simply producing monsters. …Or, as you point out, merely revealing just how ugly female nature is. Our ancestors learned the hard way that women need to be under male authority — and the Bible itself spells that out clearly — yet ancient wisdom and God’s own Word are being burned on the alter of “equality”, leaving the societal carnage we see today.
…*altar* of equality…
…Nothing spoils a final flourish like a typo.
Ha ha! I can fix your post when I get to a computer, but I’m not going to even try from my phone.
I’m not thrilled that we are all basically relying on everything going to shit before westerners realise that many of the things ‘we’ believe in are terrible ideas.
“Despite going to church and being a christian”
The definition of “Christian” is today so loose as to be meaningless. Anyone can call themselves a “Christian” and attend one of today’s unbiblical churches. It means nothing.
I refuse to call these women “Christian”, because I refuse to call anyone in open rebellion against God’s Word a “Christian”. These are not just humble, struggling sinners, saved by Grace; failing, confessing their sins, and asking God for forgiveness. No! These women flatly reject Scripture. Point it out to them and they’ll fly at you, eyes flashing with rage.
They are antinomian and don’t care.
Jesus Himself warned there would be many calling Him “Lord” but that He would disown them. Why? Will it because they are “unloving”/”legalistic”/”judgemental”…? No. He tells us why. He says it will be because they practise lawlessness.