Greetings, bloggers and blog readers! I hope everyone is doing well considering the current state of the world. My family and I have hunkered down and stocked up, but we are not panicked. As all this started to go down and information started to come in I decided to grab a little bit more stuff than usual, but we are not hoarders, unlike some whackos out there. Also, I personally do not think this whole Wuhan flu thing is going to be around for more than a few weeks, at best, though the financial impact will be felt for months to come and all across the globe. Everyone out there keep safe and keep sane.

That being said, as you stock up on toilet paper, MRE’s and hand sanitizer, ask yourself if you’ve stocked up on personal protection. I mean, a stash of necessities is great but not if you have no means to keep them. There has been a meme floating around lately that is essentially this:

“You’re out there buying toilet paper, I’m buying ammo so I  can take your toilet paper.”

It sounds harsh, and it is, but when people panic you can expect a certain subset of people not to prep by buying what they need to survive, but prepping by buying what they need to take away what you have so they can survive.

A short while back I expounded on my reasoning for wanting to buy a rifle this year and the trouble I had gone through in the state of CA to buy one. In the end I got what I set out to buy and here, a month and a half later, I have come back to report what I think about my first Pistol Caliber Carbine (PCC) from Hi-Point firearms, and why I think you should buy one, or….a few.

My rifle is a .40 caliber, 4095 model in plain black.

Now understand that Hi-Point firearms are typically spat upon or made fun of in most gun savvy spaces. They are “ugly”, “cheap” and “don’t work”. I can report to you now that only two out of those three accusations are true and the one that is false is all that matters.

First, however, lets go over all of the important information.

Along with their standard pistols HP makes pistol caliber carbines. These light rifles use standard pistol ammunition and come in .380, 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP. Recently they have added 10mm as well, though I don’t think I’ve seen any 10mm handguns in my local gun stores, so I don’t know how popular they are.

  • Barrel length 17.5″, overall length 32″
  • Factory magazines hold 10 rounds for all calibers but .45 ACP, which holds 9 rounds.
  • Has fully adjustable rear peep/front post sights.
  • All-weather black or hydro-dipped polymer stock with recoil compensation pad.
  • Weaver style top, bottom and under-barrel rails with optional side rails.
  • Thumb button magazine release.
  • Last round lock open.
  • Manual, sliding safety.

You can view all of the information on the Hi-Point website as well.

For starters, no, Hi-Point firearms are not going to win any firearm beauty contests, that’s for sure. Compared to other firearms they are seemingly “ugly” and bulky. Add to this the fact that here in CA you have to add a nasty paddle to the pistol grip which makes the gun uglier and a bit frustrating to use, but EVERY pistol grip rifle in CA has to have said paddle so I don’t hold that against it. Also, if you are in any other state you don’t have to worry about the dumb thing, so even though you are reading this, don’t let it dissuade you from considering buying a Hi-Point.

That being said, if you’re number one concern when buying a firearm is how it looks you might have too much money on your hands.

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Not pretty to some. Looks like second amendment to me.
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My 4095 after some accessory installation. Grip paddle removed while I was working on it.

Personally I added a few accessories I felt would benefit me, but they weren’t necessary. In the end I have added a factory magazine clip that snaps two magazines onto the stock of the gun, a red dot sight with laser, an aluminum top picatinny rail, a larger charging handle, an angled foregrip, a barrel shroud and a muzzle brake. Note that I would not need any of these things and that the majority of them simply make things nicer for me when I shoot.

As for “cheap”, well, I would say “inexpensive”. I bought my rifle for $305 USD. My accessories have already come close to costing me more than the actual rifle. You can buy HP carbines on sites like Gunbroker.com for as low as $250, but prices have been slowly creeping up.

There’s no doubt, however, that the guns are built to be inexpensive. The stock is literally plastic, though it is a pretty tough polymer and not your standard cheap fair. When taking the gun apart to replace the top rail I literally popped a couple of pins out and slid a clip forward and was able to pulled out the entire rifle action with relative ease.

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Everything not connect to the barrel is polymer plastic with the exception of screws, springs and clips.

Their price point doesn’t decrease their effectiveness, though, nor their ability to take a beating. Look up “Hi Point” on YouTube and you will be met with a number of torture tests that people have put these guns through. Everything from straight up pouring sand into the ejection port, throwing it into a bog – even hammering a bolt into the barrel. They are rugged firearms that take a beating but consistently work when needed (though the bolt in the barrel did blow the whole thing up, but it took a bolt hammered into the barrel to finally break the thing).

Also, for the price, you are getting a firearm that is rated for +P ammo, which is ammo that has a higher grain count than your typical round and packs a bit more punch. Not all guns are rated for +P and the fact that the entire line of HP firearms IS adds great value.

Now: Do they work?

Yes. My two HP firearms have worked great, though I won’t say I haven’t had my occasional issue here and there.

My HP C9 9mm pistol has legendary issues with the springs on the 8 round magazines and generally has feed issues more often then I think it should. I tweaked the internal spring a little and the last time I shot it I ran into only a few issues, but those were likely due to my mags sitting around loaded for over a year and the box of crappy steel cased ammo I had, which it did not like.

My carbine, so far, has had one feed issue, which I ran into during my first few magazines full of ammo, but I have had no issues since. I have been out shooting three times so far with a total of around 350-400 rounds through the gun.

So, finally, what is it like to actually shoot the rifle?

F. U. N.

My initial experience was a quick run out to my local shooting spot (about 40 minutes away) to just put a few rounds through the thing. I fired it stock, having only put on my optic and the magazine clip. It was fun, but by the time we got out to our shooting spot it was nearly dark and we just took potshots at a few targets.

My second experience was actually going out to put a hundred rounds through the gun with my brother. Compared to the first run I was able to pay much more attention to what the actual experience was than the first time. Unfortunately I wasn’t able to dial in my optic very well.

My third experience was this past weekend when my son and I went out and put another two hundred rounds through the gun. He came up from the Marine base and was feeling kind of ‘blah’ so we decided to go have some fun. I purchased some extra ammunition and we headed out on a beautiful morning. The sun was shining and there was some cloud cover, but it was neither too hot nor too cold. Along with us we took three 5 gallon water jugs and some PC/laptop hard drives I wanted to get rid of.

This was my experience:

The very first thing we did was set up the gun on the tailgate of the truck and dial in the red dot on the scope. This would prove to be very beneficial for the day and took us about 20 rounds. I would say we likely dialed it in to 75 yards.

Being .40 the deeper “thump” of firing a round was very, very satisfying. My 9mm “cracks” when I fire it, but the carbine “thumps” and you can really FEEL the difference in the round. Very enjoyable.

Recoil is so light when firing single shots that its practically unnoticeable. There IS recoil, but its nominal, likely due to the fact that .40 cal in a rifle is not all that much recoil to begin with, but also the recoil compensation pad does a good job of absorbing it.

Once dialed in we were nailing those water jugs like nobodies business. We hit almost every shot and, amazingly enough we were able to hit a PC hard drive at 70 yards, even to the point that the drive fell off of the side of the water jug we had it taped to and, lying flat on the ground, 70 yards away, I was able to hit THE SIDE of the hard drive. My son was flabbergasted (as was I, personally).

At thirty yards we were hitting laptop hard drives, which are pretty small, about the size of your cellphone. That’s pretty good.

The original scope I had was a Firefield Barrage Rifle Scope, which I ended up trading in for a Firefield Impulse because I felt the Barrage was too “hunting rifle” and I didn’t think the HP carbine felt like it would be used for great distance. I was wrong, and I kind of wish I had kept the Barrage, but I don’t feel bad about the Impulse. It would have been nicer to have the magnification, but once we dialed in the red dot we were hitting whatever we were aiming at, even if we could only just barely see it at distance.

Though we had fun I have to keep in mind that this firearm serves an important purpose in that, at any time, it may be necessary for it to protect my family. That becomes clear particularly during the current world wide situation, where resources are somewhat scarce due to peoples panicking. Its also important to remember that whenever we have situations like this there will always be people willing to attack others to take what they want, and in particularly dire situations people are willing to harm others when they have been starved of food, water and other supplies for extended periods of time. You need to be armed to protect yourself and your loved ones. If it REALLY hits the fan the police will not be able to help you, nor will the military. They will have far bigger issues to deal with and would likely be overwhelmed. It is important to arm yourself AND to make going out and shooting a monthly or bi-monthly occurance.

When my brother and I went shooting he ran into a problem with his Luger 9mm. He would pull the trigger and it wouldn’t fire. He spent a good ten to fifteen minutes looking it over, breaking it down and cleaning it only to remember that it has a weird little safety switch on the back that requires a tiny key to turn the gun to firing mode. He probably hadn’t fired that gun in two or three years, and if he needed to defend himself he would have been stuck trying to figure out why his gun wouldn’t fire. By going out and shooting monthly or bi-monthly you stay familiar with your weapon and get better at handling it. Ammo is cheap compared to your life or the life of your loved ones.

I haven’t fired a lot of guns in my life. I’ve used my brothers little .22 rifle, his shotgun, his 9mm, my 9mm, my cousins .308 and a few other small caliber rifles, so maybe my words don’t hold as much weight as someone who is more experienced in firearms, but I hope that maybe my words will mean something to someone out there who is unarmed and kind of on the fence about whether or not they should buy one, and what they should buy.

Overall this is a great rifle that took very little experience for me to learn to shoot, to modify with accessories and to get dialed in for accuracy.

The price point is excellent, and for the price of a more “name brand” firearm I could easily buy 3-4 HP carbines. Some of the PCC rifles at the gun shop I bought this one from were up in the $1500-$2000 range. They are likely nice, though its not a promise that they are better than the HP. Some of the reviews I have seen compare it to the Keltec Sub-2000 PCC and Keltec ends up falling short in reliability and definitely in price.

The reliability is there. If you want a gun that can go through the mud and the crud and still be able to reliably throw a full magazine of lead down range the HP carbine is tried and tested. Again, go to YouTube and watch some of the torture tests. The people in the video may not like the way the gun looks, the weight, the trigger or much of anything else, but they universally agree: Its accurate and it can go bang even after being run over by a truck.

The gun is all American made parts, and comes with a warranty that is not only transferable with the gun, but also one of the best in the business, with some of these YouTube guys sending their beat up, torture tested HP firearms back to the factory, only to have them returned in good, working order, and often with a couple of free magazines to boot!

Now, enjoy a couple of small, short videos of my son and I taking some shots at a few targets.

In the first video my son is first aiming for the blue water jug where we had the PC hard drive taped up, then he moves to the laptop hard drives, which are closer and toward the bottom left of the screen. If you remember he is in the Marines, and he said he liked target shooting more with the Hi-Point than he does with the M16 he normally has to train and do marksmanship training with. In fact, on the way home he was talking about how he was going to buy one and keep it at the house, since they can’t keep personal firearms on base.

Not sure why the nerd still records video in portrait mode, but he does. Here I am shooting at the furthest water jug, which then falls down the hill. After a few shots I started firing at some different little targets up the hillside.

Thanks for checking in. Visit http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com for information directly from HP on all of their firearms.