WARNING: This post is going to deal specifically with the subject of abortion and will contain some information and truths you may not be prepared to hear. I had considered not posting it, but on the morning I had been contemplating it I came across a post by Ame at her own blog regarding the same subject. Rest assured that though I will be providing biblical proof of my assertion through scripture, I do not know the entirety of the bible by heart and am more than open to someone proving my assertion wrong. At this time, however, this is my understanding of the subject and the horror behind abortion that not even christians speak of, at least no christian I have ever discussed the subject with.
If discussion of this nature disturbs you, please do not read further. If you are a mother who has lost a child in the past, read only at your own risk and with my full warning to, maybe, pass this post by and return at another time.
Otherwise: Read. Pray. Act.
Abortion. Its a horrible thing, having claimed the lives of countless millions of unborn and more recently, partially born babies since its passing into law as a legal “medical procedure”. Once reserved to medical necessity only (if the mothers life was in danger or due to incest) it has become almost en vogue to have one now. It is, in fact, celebrated, with women on social media prompting other women to shout their abortion out, loud and proud. Then, of course, there is this abomination:
I hate even posting this image its so disgusting, but it must be seen so that those who are unawares can fully understand how far down the shit hole we are in the West. The words “shit hole” are scarcely adequate for describing the situation at hand. These women are celebrating murdering their own children. Let that sink in for a moment. Understand that they would sooner shed a tear over the death of a small animal, a puppy or a kitten, than they would their own child.
Much has been done to avoid heaping any kind of guilt on these women by society. As of today we are still actually discussing not STOPPING abortion altogether but at what point in a child’s life its still permissible to murder them in the womb. At conception? 10 weeks? 20 weeks?
For the fucking love of Christ, people! Listen to the question? How far down the rabbit hole has the “christian” West fallen that THIS is the question? At the moment of conception it is life! God has breathed a soul into the body as it has begun to form. If this is not the case then liberals should have no problem with us killing the clumps of cells that will constitute a baby elephant, or baby sea turtles or dogs provided we do so within X weeks and because we don’t want to be burdened with puppies since “this is really not a good time in my life for this”.
Much of this, I believe, stems from continuing to permit women to have say in the way society is run, but that’s a post for another day. Instead I am hear to talk about something that should be even more grievous to christians than the visuals of a baby being summarily pulled apart in the womb and its extremities extracted, only to be disposed of as common garbage….
There is nothing special about babies that entitles them to heaven.
Society and christians in general have this predetermined notion that the innocence of children somehow shields them from hell. It does not. Observe the following scriptures:
Psalms 51:5 – Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Ecclesiastes 7:20 – For not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
Psalms 58:3 – The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Romans 5:12 – Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 3:23 – For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 5:19 – For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Genesis 8:21 – And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake; for the imagination of man’s heart [is] evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Romans 3:10 – As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Mankind is born with a sinful nature. Born into sin. It falls upon every man and woman to recognize this, repent and call upon the name of Jesus as their lord and savior. This is why Jesus tells us we must be born again, this time of spirit and not of flesh, because the flesh is inherently corrupt and steeped in a sinful nature, and thus it will, in time, be destroyed. Only by accepting Him as our lord and savior are we given second birth!
Babies do not have the luxury of this choice.
God deals in the absolute. A man is either saved or unsaved. Holy or sinful. Thus he is either condemned to eternal death in hell or welcome into the kingdom of heaven as a child of God.
It is mankinds romanticism of innocence that leads us to believe that babies are somehow assured a place in heaven, but scripture says otherwise. Perhaps not directly, but adding up the entirety of what scripture says we cannot say otherwise.
Jesus assures adults that they will suffer greatly for leading children astray, not because they are bound for heaven, but because they have yet to have the knowledge, wisdom and maturity to make the effort to give their lives to Christ. That’s not to say that children cannot give their lives to Christ, only that they must make that decision to do so, and babies are incapable of doing so. Children are innocent in that they have not been exposed to the horrors of the world, but they have still been born with the same virus of sin as every other human on the planet.
If this were not the case then killing a baby in the womb would be the most merciful thing we could do for it, for we would be sparing the child the pains of this world and sending them straight to paradise.
We are, however, doing the complete opposite, and condemning the unborn to eternal suffering in hell.
I believe we remember our time here on earth after death, based on scripture. Read Luke 16 and Revelation 6. I believe the bibles assertion that we will live without pain and without suffering in the kingdom of heaven is truthful in that with the passage of eternal time we will forget those things that brought us pain and suffering. For those in eternal death, however, this may not be the case, and via abortion we are condemning countless souls to suffer eternally with no memory of ever having done anything wrong beyond being conceived.
This, above all, should place any christian well into the camp of anti-abortion, as in NO ABORTION for ANY REASON. The life of the mother? What about the soul of the child? I understand to lose an adult child is heartbreaking, but where is our hope in Christ if not in the promise of eternal life after death? Where is our hope in Christ that his will be done even if we don’t fully agree nor understand that will? A saved mother who dies while giving birth lives on in heaven where her child may yet still join her. A mother saved at the expense of her unborn child’s life condemns that child’s soul to the eternal fire of damnation.
This is the TRUE horror and pain in children lost. Our feelings and suffering on this earth are for but a time and can be recovered from. A soul lost is a soul lost for all eternity.
The church needs to abandon this feel-good but false teaching about babies and really drive home the reality of what is being done here. This is the ANTI-GREAT COMMISSION. Instead of harvesting souls for the kingdom we are giving them away to fill the pits of hell! And for what trade off? For women’s liberation? For a woman’s desire to be free to continue looking thin or desire to continue to sleep around or not to be “tied down with a baby”? For a man’s poor decision not to keep it in his pants?
WAKE UP, CHRISTIANS! DO NOT BE CONFORMED TO THIS WORLD!! YOU’RE CONFORMING ALLOWS THIS TO CONTINUE! DEMAND ZERO ABORTION POLICIES FROM OUR CONSERVATIVE LAWMAKERS AND LET THEM KNOW WHY WE DEMAND IT!! STOP RIDING THE FENCE! BE HOT OR BE COLD, BUT LUKEWARM WILL ONLY END UP WITH YOU BEING UNKNOWN TO GOD!!
MATTHEW 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
UPDATE
I understand the often used position on this subject is that “the bible doesn’t say”, and I understand people coming from that position. However that position only works if you are looking for the bible to say something specific about babies and children as opposed to mankind as a whole. MANKIND was born into sin: Man, woman and child. It’s not a pretty stance to take, no, and yes, it sounds extremely cruel when viewed from the side of humanity given our emotions and how we view the innocence of children. God, however, does not deal with emotions in the same way we do, though the bible proves he does have emotions toward us. When God commanded the Israelites to kill every man, woman and child of the wicked nations was that cruel? Was that wrong? Many unbelievers would say “yes”, without understanding of the mind of God, and that his ways are above our ways and his thoughts above our thoughts. Believers might quote this and say “well God commanded it in his wisdom, and we as followers of God understand that Gods wisdom doesn’t always conform to what we see as wisdom”.
This post is not meant to attack anyone but to deliver a message: Abortion must be stopped at all cost! Its repercussions are something far more sinister than the physical death of the unborn! That the subject is offensive is as it should be.
Hate me if you must, but with scriptural proof I will gladly rescind my position and remove this post.
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i don’t have the bible knowledge or references to back it up right now, but i do not agree with you that babies go straight to hell.
i’ve heard some who believe these babies – and others who die without the ability to choose … think mentally incapable, etc – will have an opportunity to choose Christ in a different ‘realm’ (for lack of a better word). (AT wrote about this once … i don’t remember if it was on his blog or in a private email, but i do remember he wrote about it once. it’s been a long time.)
overall, though, knowing God, i do not believe God condemns those to hell who do not get to choose. i believe God longs for everyone to have the opportunity for repentance and gives people many opportunities for repentance. i believe that while God is a Judge, He is also Love and Life and Good. your premise takes the judgement part of God without the loving part of God.
2 Peter 3:9 “The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.”
all this does not diminish how debase and terrible abortion. abortion is evil, and thought i do not know how, God will judge accordingly, in His time, and in His ways.
I understand your concern, however I assure you AT thinks as I did, as it was one of his posts that got me researching the subject. However, as I said, if someone has an opposing word on it I will be more than happy to research further, but the verses I have included, all of which indicate man is born with the stain of sin and must willfully relinquish it through repentance and acceptance of Christ, lead me to believe this is correct. I know its out of our realm of thinking to comprehend how God would allow such a thing to happen, but we are thinking of things with our earthly minds and feelings. I would hope that I was wrong, but scripturally I believe I am not. Otherwise, again, we do babies a great disservice by allowing them to be be born and INTRODUCED to sin and pain and suffering, when merely killing them before they acquire knowledge of good and evil would send them straight to heavens gates. If that were the case I would curse my parents for forcing me to face the things I have had to face in my life rather than sending me to be with God before I had even taken my first breath.
God’s judgement cannot be escaped. The love he has for us is that he gave us a solution to our impending and inescapable death through Jesus. However the sacrifice made does not erase the stain of sin from mankind except through mankinds willing acceptance of Christ. A man who lives a “good life” without repentance still suffers hell because the stain of sin is still upon him. Tragedy is if he dies before hearing the gospel. What of those people who live in the far jungles of Asia or Africa who have never heard the gospel? Are they free from God’s judgement? Will they be given a moments chance after death? Not at all, for the bible says that after death comes judgement, and a mans time for decision has passed.
This was a difficult post for me to make and it is a truth that is difficult to bear, but makes the war on abortion all that more significant, and perhaps brings some stark reality to light for those christians who are on the fence about the subject. I understand it is difficult to process, especially for women and even more so for those who have suffered loss, but unless someone points out otherwise, this is what the scripture leads to, and I will believe it.
I respect your position, but I do not agree with it. And though I cannot right now prove it, I don’t believe the Bible states what you believe.
If that were the case I would curse my parents for forcing me to face the things I have had to face in my life rather than sending me to be with God before I had even taken my first breath.
that’s an interesting thought, but i think it’s flawed.
why would we not kill ourselves the moment we become christians and end the misery of this life on earth?
What of those people who live in the far jungles of Asia or Africa who have never heard the gospel? Are they free from God’s judgement? Will they be given a moments chance after death?
i believe this argument, too, is flawed.
how do we know that God has not revealed Himself to those who live in the far jungles of asia or africa?
i do not believe God condemns people to hell without them first having a choice. how He does that? i do not know. i do know He is not limited by my imagination in creating ideas or ways He can reach people.
imho, what you have suggested in this post is way out of character with all of who God is.
also, this premise cannot be proven. no where in the bible does it say that babies go to hell. i think if that were true, it is one of the things that would be explicitly stated.
Isn’t the Bible silent on what happens to babies?
Only if you think God makes a distinction between the soul of a baby and the soul of “mankind”. A baby is one of mankind, and thus born into a sinful nature. If this is the case then here is no need to make a distinction between adult mankind and baby mankind, all are mankind and subject to the same judgement.
i asked a pastor friend of mine who is on the front lines of the abortion war, and he stated the bible does not address this issue.
souls … minds … ability to reason … i’m sure this has been debated in history many times by scholars much more knowledgeable in the scriptures than i.
but as i know God … as as i know who He has presented Himself to be in the Bible, i cannot and will not believe that God condemns to hell those who have no ability to choose.
and while i do respect you, Snapper, i believe your position is absolutely false and extremely cruel. i sincerely hope no parent who has lost a child of any age who was unable to reason will ever read this or anything like it.
Yes, and this is why I was remiss to make this post. You may be right, I may be wrong, I can only base my decision and belief on what I have read. Is it cruel? Perhaps. Does this mean that if it be found to be true that your opinion of God would change?
It is widely understood that Gods will is not for believers to end their lives once they are believers:
Gods will is that believers should become fishers of men and spread the gospel of Jesus christ so that others would be saved, as Gods will is that none should perish (2 Peter 3:9), so it wouldn’t make sense for a believer to decided that since they have been given eternal life they should end their earthly one. There is also nothing in the bible that indicates taking ones own life itself is not sin, though some believe it to be murder.
As for being out of Gods character, I don’t think it is at all. Again I think we allow our emotions to sway our belief in how God thinks and acts. In the OT God commands Israel to kill every man, woman and child of some of the nations who occupied the land promised them. Is THIS out of character for God? God commanded it because he knew these people were wicked and their children would have followed their wicked ways and been a thorn in the side of Israel, thus he had EVERYONE destroyed. God also commands the Israelite’s to stone to death a son who is willfully disobedient to his father (Deut 21:20-21). though no cut off age is given I suspect a father might know when his son is being childish as a child and willfully disobedient out of rebellion, and though a son may be young God commanded such rebellious behavior be stomped out from among the people.
My goal here is to bring to light what appears to me to be a truth that no one likes to talk about because it feels horrible to us as humans. It seems offensive, yet those of us who would be offended must find a way to ignore our offense at other truths in the word that are similar. The realization of this truth should shock every christian to the core and remove any doubt from the mind of believers as to whether or not abortion should be legalized or supported in any form.
i do not think my position is emotional. i am very willing to believe God’s word even when emotionally i do not want to, as i believe i have well proven.
but your belief is a theory. the bible does not speak directly to this.
yes, God wiped out nations, including children, but He never states that He sends the children to hell.
stating that this is what you discern and/or believe the bible to say is one thing b/c the bible does not clearly state what happens to babies and those unable to mentally discern or choose. but to state it as biblical fact is, imo, terrible and wrong.
you have neither been to heaven nor hell … and the bible is not clear on this subject, so your premise is conjecture.
i do not know how to be more emphatic that i strongly disagree with you on this topic and that i believe it is extremely cruel.
I understand your position, I still assert that mine is not theory. It is a wicked thing, but that’s why abortion and the murder of children is a wicked thing.
Thank you for your input. I will not be discussing this in the comments any longer. People can take from it what they will, but I will not change your mind, and mine will only be changed with biblical proof. Otherwise we will only go round and round until we dislike each other, and that would be a sad thing.
the more i get to know God, the more solid He is, the more all of what i know and have experienced fits into who He is … the more He proves He is a God of love, power, and a sound mind. so i cannot imagine getting to know a part of Him that would turn me away from Him. so in light of your question … the Truth will be much more enlightening, complex, that either of us know.
while i do not believe you have biblical proof for your stance, i absolutely do agree with you here:
Otherwise we will only go round and round until we dislike each other, and that would be a sad thing.
Firstly, I am not a scholar. Far from it.
Secondly, I think I understand your position. Truth must be accepted, and we must stand by it, no matter how terrible or uncomfortable it is. If this is truth, it must be accepted as such. And since God is good, this would also be, even if it is simultaneously terrible.
However, I will not quickly accept this to be true. While your view has a firm grasp of God’s justice, it lacks God’s mercy. We have to remember that God has both, and we do not always know when which is applied. Of course, that is not really a biblical argument, so I do not expect you to accept it as one.
I found an article that outlines some good reasoning to believe that unborn children do go to Heaven, while admitting that the evidence is inconclusive. Instead of copy-pasting their words and the referenced scripture, I’ll just include the link:
https://www.gotquestions.org/aborted-babies-heaven.html
I think a key point that is brought up in that article is that the unborn have a sin nature like the rest of us, but have not yet sinned. Is it the sin nature or the sin that separates us from God? I am not sure, but it seems to me that it is the sin (“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”, “for the wages of sin is death”).
I have one other scripture reference that casts doubt on your conclusion: Romans 1:20. To summarize, God’s creation is evidence of God, and as such we have no excuse for not accepting Him. I admit that I do not really understand this verse, as science seems to enable people to view creation without seeing God behind it, thereby seemingly opening an opportunity for excuse, but that is besides the point in this context. Being unborn, this soul has not seen this evidence for God. As such, can it be said that this soul does, in fact, have an excuse?
Regardless, you’ve given me something to chew on for a while. I hope you are wrong (no offense intended), but truth is truth, and I do not wish to believe a lie, no matter how comfortable.
“I hope you are wrong (no offense intended)”
Thank you for the comment, I will certainly look into the link you have posted. I hope I am wrong as well.
If a woman has an abortion and later becomes a Christian, asks for forgiveness (and is forgiven according to Scripture) then she goes to Heaven but her aborted child goes to Hell?
That just can’t be true.
It very well could be true. What does one person’s saved status have to do with another person’s? A mother who becomes a Christian does not save her husband or children by her status. She can AFFECT those around her by living a godly life and drawing others to Christ, but she cannot save them through her conversion.
This is the Crux of my post, the true horror behind abortion. If abortion stocked the hosts of heaven what good would it do satan? His goal is to prevent man from seeking and finding Christ, who saves him. What more wicked way than to attack a man before he even has a chance? It’s why Christian’s must demand abortion be outlawed, not merely “restricted”.
I have to admit that I have never thought of the repercussions of abortion in the terms you have laid out; it’s a horrifying thought that a fetus or infant (or any child) could not have salvation. I certainly see your point but need to check scripture for myself to see if I actually agree with you. Like others who have commented, I hope you’re wrong but you may very well be correct. What a dreadful possibility.