MARKED NSFW DUE TO THE LANGUAGE AND ADVERTISEMENT AT THE END OF THE VIDEO.
I must admit, when I created my online persona years and years ago the thought of calling myself “Turd Flinging Monkey” had crossed my mind exactly zero times, yet, here we are, referencing an internet persona who calls himself just that.
I’ve listened to some TFM on and off in the past month or so. He seems very MGTOW and likes to show off his sex doll, Celestina. Now, I’m not one who promotes the MGTOW lifestyle, but I can certainly see why non-Christian guys hop aboard that train. I dont know if TFM is a Christian or not, as it certainly doesn’t seem like it, but its pretty sad when even the Turd Flinging Monkey of the internet is disgusted by the goings on of the church before the members of the church are.
I recommend watching the entire video, but the meat of it is around 4:10.
Yes, when even apparent non-Christians are disgusted with the feminist lean of the church that says a lot about the church in general. And he’s right: No one will be excommunicated for their actions. Even if they were, they could just walk down the street and open a church of their own and it will be filled within a matter of weeks.
Sad.
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Oh its the internets greatest sex doll salesman. No he’s not a christian he is an atheist.
One of the comments sums it up. They don’t believe in the Bible they are practising entryism. Unfortunately the church is completely and utterly useless. One of these days I want to start a blog and catalogue why and how they are useless…
Yeah, my favorite podcaster, Aaron Clarey is a bit of an agnostic, says he doesn’t care for religion or God but thinks Christians should at least be holding up the basics of their faith and not letting women be pastors, not be letting gays be church leaders, etc. Though he is pretty clear HE’S all for it, but doesn’t know why the church doesn’t adhere to its own beliefs.
All the pastors I know have low testosterone. Could that be it? Seems that the church has been selecting for soft weak men for a while.
The church has done a very bad job of enforcing truth. For example churches will let men who believe in evolution be elders.
I’ve been wondering lately if the “Jesus movement” of the 60s was influenced by the “Hippie movement” of the same time. A lot of the older church pastors came out of the 60s and I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them were hippies before coming to Christ. You know, “Peace, love, don’t judge your fellow man”? Sound familiar? I feel like these guys found Jesus because some of the foundations of Christianity aligned with some of the teachings of the hippie movement, but the hippies took the masculinity out of it. It seems like modern Christianity and the peace/love mentality share a lot of parallels and I’ve been thinking about interviewing some of my older family members who were hippies at one time. I’m wondering if I’ve stumbled on to something interesting.
My parents were either in the hippie movement or agreed with some of its ideals and they are both “complementarians” and we both know complementarians are feminists with a sprinkling of the Bible. They still believe in equality!
It might explain why John Piper is so utterly useless. He’s old enough to have been young when the hippies were around.
That’s what I was thinking! My parents grew up with Greg Laurie, a pretty popular pastor from Harvest church in Riverside, CA. They all grew up during that period of time and pastor Greg is a strong teacher, but he is very complementarian also. I dont think he specifically says husbands and wives are equal, but he’s one of those “husbands are given authority they should never use” kind of pastors. This, along with some other pastors I know and read about, really make me think that the hippie movement is what started people into the Jesus movement, and that the movement was nothing more than a bunch of dumb kids seeking “enlightenment”. Jesus just happened to be one of the several avenues being sought out along with Buddha and a few other “peaceful” religions. The interesting thing is that God didn’t let the movement go to waste and some real Christians came out of it, yet they retained their peace/love/no judgement mentality and stripped Christianity of its innards, leaving only the sweet-to-the-taste shell. Now I’m feeling more motivated to look into it!
How can you be a strong teacher and a complementarian? They destroy the authority of men whilst demanding men take responsibility for their families. Either teach ALL of what the Bible says or get lost.
The problem I’ve seen is that “strong complementarian” pastors and teachers all tend to be guys who would be considered alpha male types. Greg Laurie played sports and stuff back in high school and was a bit of a troublemaker back then. My dad, same thing. High school sports star, ladies man, got in trouble, smoked weed. These guys think the complementarian structure works because their wives naturally submit to their alpha behaviors, so they teach that it works to others. In the meantime “big name” pastors and teachers find it works for them, but only because they are men with power and, often times, money, so their wives submit for that reason. For the average guy, though, it doesn’t work. To the average “Christian dad” who is barely in shape, doesn’t make a ton of money, doesn’t have much in the way of social power complementarianism is a slow acting poison. I’m helping a fellow friend of mine deal with his divorce right now. He’s a Christian. His wife said she was a Christian, but when it comes to who runs the relationship its definitely his wife. He COULD do it, even though he works a very small job and basically takes care of the house while she goes out and works, but he was never taught that no matter what the work or money situation looks like HE is the one with the grant of authority, not his wife. I wont say its a guaranteed fix for the issue, but it would have helped.
There is nothing stopping the barely in shape christian dad from getting in shape! I used to be very out of shape but I’m not like that anymore.
The example of your friend shows you how little reward there is in being the average ‘nice guy’ husband. I bet he never spanked or slapped her or forced himself on her sexually but she is still going to divorce him and steal his money and children.
It isn’t working out that well for the big players. John Pipers son went through a divorce when his oh so christian wife decided she didn’t feel loved anymore. I suppose some men are making a lot of ££££££ out of selling books and getting action out of their unofficial harems at church.
I can’t say I know much about their sex life, though they don’t have any children because, of course, she didn’t want any, as she is working and going to school. But, being that I’ve known this guy for a long time I know for sure he was raised with the same “just be yourself” training I was raised with. Hopefully I can convince him that he’s still pretty young, has some good musical and art skills and, provided he can find a decent job, he should be able to land himself another cutie without much trouble or, at minimum, if he plays his cards right his wife will realize she’s condemning herself to a life of cats and dogs and watching her married friends enjoying themselves and come crawling back. My fear is that if this happens he will go right back to “Oh I’m so blessed to have you, you mean the world to me!”, and she will be right back out the door.
As for the big players, the game has changed since now women dont have to worry about being looked down upon for divorcing AND they get away with cash, kids, cars and homes, so its no surprising that the latest generation of church players is going to get their butts handed to them. The glue of “he’s rich and powerful” doesn’t hold as well when women realize “I can take it all away and find a guy I like having sex with”, and it will continue to get worse until something changes.
I had to throw off that “just be yourself” stuff as well. It’s cancer. I’m assuming he was brought up through the church system and was told to be a “nice guy”?
Does he want to change? Does he realise that the way he has managed the relationship has been a failure?
Things are going to continue to get worse…. until either the American Empire collapses like the Roman Empire or we are in the end times and they setup the kingdom of the antichrist.
He doesn’t realize, yet. Ill try to talk to him again, but he’s still in that stage where he wont accept red pilled truths. We’ll see.
Doesn’t sound like there is hope. Unless he wants to change he will not. You don’t want to get your head bitten off!
I remember religious education in school, I was about 16 years old. Our (female) teacher told us that some feminists promote the concept of a Lady’s Prayer as a great and nowadays necessary addition to the Lord’s Prayer. She concluded: “And why not?! Why not a godess? Why not a mother in heaven? You know some women might feel more comfortable praying to a female being.” Now I mentioned before that I did not have a particularly Christian upbringing, but this statement was just much too stupid, even for my standards. This statement was so stupid in fact that it offended me in a way, and I raised my hand and contradicted her; it was so stupid that I told my father later that day how stupid it was. The thought that random people – just for the sake of political correctness – felt entitled to read silly things into God’s nature really somewhat upset me. And then a teacher for religious (!!!) education comes along and passes the message on as if it was awesome! The good thing is that it also was a very eye-opening moment: I had felt before that the continuing waves of feminism were crap, but this was the final straw. When not even God Himself is holy to this movement then what is? It must be bad.
(By the way: What does the abbreviation NSFW stand for?)
Typing from my phone, so I won’t type much but you’re response is very interesting! Will ask questions later.
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I added it due to the language in the video.
I actually remember most of my response to my teacher (was that your question?), it was neither very structured nor elaborate. While she was still speaking I already decided I was going to say something, but I had no idea what to say exactly. I knew she was wrong, yet I knew no biblical verses that clearly present God as masculine to refute her statement completely. So I spoke only for myself instead, something like: “God is described as strong and powerful and sometimes aggressive, He is protective and His presence is soothing, and I associate all of these things with men and especially with a father.”, somebody replied: “But He’s also merciful and comforting, that is more like a mother.”, and I said: “I wouldn’t feel safe with a mother in heaven. Also the bible speaks of “Him” and “Father” and “Lord” all the time, so why would He be a mother, it doesn’t make any sense.” – That was about it, not very spectacular, eventhough I was quite angry. I think one girl in my class followed up by complaining about gender stereotypes, but I’m not sure.
I wont ask how old you are, but approximately how long ago did this happen? I’m honestly not surprised it would be a female teacher pushing this and you’re story just lends credence to my belief that the bible forbids women from teaching scripture to anyone, be it other women, children or men. They are just to easy to push off track.
Your response was spot on, however. It doesn’t matter what someone FEELS God is like, the bible tells us what God is like and always refers to Him in the masculine, as a Father and a Lord. The concept that God is woman is ludicrous at best, blasphemous at worst. God created woman for man and the church is representative of woman to God (ie: His bride). Women should not be teaching the word but should stick to sharing the gospel and learning from their husbands, if possible, or simply allowing the Holy Spirit to guide them otherwise.
It happened about eleven years ago. All the things you mentioned above are things my teacher should have known, she had studied theology after all. Religious education is a regular subject in all schools here, with Catholic and Protestant children taught separately (I’m Protestant). From my first year in school until my last I had two weekly lessons of 45 minutes each, male and female teachers, and never learned how to refute a statement such as “God could just as well be a mother”, that women shouldn’t teach, that wives should ask their husbands at home, or what being wife and husband is about to begin with. Nice of you to say that my response was good, but I actually had not much of an idea what I was talking about, I just wanted to say something (and I’m happy that I did).
Your response was good because it was biblical, and that’s where Western churches are failing: They dont seem to want to accept what the bible says as what it says! There has to be some hidden meaning behind every verse or some type of “spiritual understanding” that can only be revealed when you have fasted enough, prayed enough or gotten enough seminary credits. Yes, greater understanding comes through the constant reading and studying of the word and yes the Holy spirit can reveal things to us that maybe we didn’t fully understand at one time, but this isn’t the DaVinci code we are talking about here! “Repent” means repent! “Submit” means submit! There is no mystery behind “Husbands love your wives” or “Wives submit to your husbands”. There is no code to “by grace we are saved and not by works”! How stupid would god be if he wrote a book on how to attain salvation through his son if the book was written as an encoded message? How dumb would it be for someone to write the directions on how to properly use a fire extinguisher in code that had to be solved BEFORE YOU COULD USE IT TO EXTINGUISH A FIRE?! The bible says God is not a god of confusion, so how then do we get so much confusion? Because people tweak the word to mean what they are comfortable with it meaning instead of changing their thinking to match the word. Shameful.