Disregarded treasures.

It is routinely taught in the church (at least, in the church’s I have attended) and in bible studies that the example of wifely submission found in 1 Peter 3 should be ignored by women:

1 Peter 3:

Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear. Do not let your adornment be merely outward—arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel— rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God. For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands, as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror.

“Sarah is the example,” Pastors tell the ladies, “But you don’t have to go calling your husband ‘lord’ or being a *GASP* doormat!”

But remember, ladies, if you don’t have to adhere to the commandments given you, then men shouldn’t need to adhere to the commandments given them either:

Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered.

Both commandments come with a promise. For the ladies: You are known as daughters of the holy women of God if you do good and are not afraid with any terror, just as Sarah did. For the men: Your prayers will not be hindered.

Why, then, if you are given this promise, would you deny yourself being recognized as a daughter of the holy women in scripture AND being precious in the sight of God? Why do we routinely remind men that NOT dwelling with their wives “with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel” that their prayers won’t go any higher than the ceiling, yet in the same breath tell women that they shouldn’t pursue a promise of God! In fact, the promise of God, in these passages, is derided as a BAD thing for women!

“You are being TOO obedient!”

“Don’t be a doormat!”

“Fear the ‘sin’ of being subservient!”
(Which is a made-up sin, btw. Adding to the scripture much?”)

The bible commands slaves to be subservient to the masters even if the slaves have given their lives to Christ and their masters haven’t! Then it uses the world LIKEWISE when speaking to wives! LIKEWISE! Meaning, IN THE SAME MANNER!

1 Peter 2:

18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh. 19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God. 21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:

22 “Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”

23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. 25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

1 Peter 3:

Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear. Do not let your adornment be merely outward—arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel— rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God. For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands, as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror.

You are being told to DENY A PROMISE OF GOD AND TO DENY BEING CHRIST LIKE!

Read the above passages!

Christ suffered though he committed no sin.
Servants, be like Christ and follow in his steps!
Likewise, wives!

WAIT! WHAT?

Servants, obey your masters if they are good, but also obey them if they are harsh because your obedience and suffering is credited to you for it!
Likewise, wives!

WHAT KIND OF BASS ACKWARDS SCRIPTURE IS THIS?

Doesn’t Peter know about the sin of “subservience”? Doesn’t he know women SUFFER when they are obedient to their husbands because their quiet obedience automatically turns their husbands into perverted, iron-fisted dictators who will instantly want her to rob a bank, do cocaine and participate in an orgy? All in the same day?

Ladies, listen! If you believe the pap from the pulpit on this one then you are LITERALLY missing out on a WELLSPRING of godly blessing! It is the literal MOTHERLODE of untapped treasure in plain sight! Not only do you gain the notoriety as a “daughter of the holy women of the bible” but you are credited for suffering, if any! If your husband is already a Christian then chances are he is not going to be seeking out to cause you suffering, though you may suffer from some of his decisions. If your husband is not a Christian then your suffering a credit to you and commendable in Gods eyes! Not only that, but the word says that your silent suffering IS A WITNESS AND TESTIMONY TO YOUR HUSBAND, AND THAT SOME MAY EVEN BE WON TO CHRIST BY IT! You are being told to IGNORE a blessing of God! Imagine standing in front of a pile, a MOUNTAIN of gold, jewels and fine stones with a big sign next to it that says “FREE! TAKE ALL YOU WANT!”, and then being told by someone to IGNORE THE PILE because it means you actually have to walk over to it, bend down and pick it up?

The kicker? YOUR ALREADY SUFFERING ANYWAY WHEN YOU ARE DISOBEDIENT TO YOUR HUSBAND, BUT YOU GAIN NOTHING FOR IT! NOTHING! When you are disobedient and rebellious it causes you and your husband to suffer needlessly! You get absolutely nothing from it beyond the suffering!

The choice is yours, ladies! Read the scripture and pray for understanding! Too many Western churches have been compromised by feminist thinking and preach that women should NEVER have to suffer, but God says suffering in the life of a Christian is not intended purely for bad! Suffering produces faith and builds the strong Christian!

Are you willing to suffer for Christ so long as it isn’t in your own home?

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Author: SnapperTrx

Just a guy on the internet.

16 thoughts on “Disregarded treasures.”

  1. I think a lot of people forget that there is NO command ANYWHERE in the Bible for husbands to be nice to their wives, to make them feel secure, to make them happy, or even to make sure that they FEEL loved. At the end of the day, as long as men are loving their wives in the way that THEY (the husbands) feel is most appropriate, that’s all they are called to do. As a woman, does that mean that you might suffer some of the time? Yes. Does that mean that you might, in fact, suffer most of the time? Possibly. But in the end, it doesn’t matter. Those are the roles that have been laid out, and it is what we are commanded to do.

    1. This is true, but I would say that the bible does command husbands to live with their wives “with understanding” (see the top of the post). To me “understanding” means to understand that wives are women, not men and thus act and react differently. Though husbands might need to be firm with them sometimes, it should be understood that they cry at a lot of things us guys might think are silly or downright dumb. They react differently to situations than we would. They are, in fact, different. Also the bible does command men to provide for their families, and that failure to do so makes them “worse than an unbeliever”. I understand this to mean that they should be made to feel secure, at minimum!

      Otherwise, yes, men set the standard as to how they exhibit love. Does a woman’s husband shower her with gifts? Great! Does another woman’s husband only buy her occasional gifts? Great! Do not complain so long as you have a roof over your head, food in your stomach and clothes on your back! These things are love! Unfortunately our modern society (and really, even farther back into the romantic age) have convinced both men and women that love is only shown from over the top exhibition, but that is not true!

      Both men and women will suffer in this life, but God tells us that, in the end, our suffering will be met with reward, if it is for Christ’s sake! We should be making that our goal, to store up treasures in heaven where they will not be corrupted or corroded. I think the West has trained women, even Christian women, to seek otherwise.

  2. well written, Snapper.

    the comment i often hear is, “God tells us to be submissive to one another.” it’s a way of trying to say men and women are equal. and it’s debatable that it applies the way women want it to. Bibles often separate out ephesians 5 like this:

    15 Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. 18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, 20 always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Instructions for Christian Households

    21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

    22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

    the Instructions for Christian Households is added and not part of the text.

    1. That’s funny because in my bible (KJV) the separation is between vs. 21 and 22, not between 20 and 21.

      Either way it makes no sense to assume that the instruction to “submit to one another” applies to husbands and wives because the instruction for wives to submit to husbands IS RIGHT THERE IN THE NEXT VERSE, INDICATING IT IS SEPERATE FROM THE PREVIOUS INSTRUCTION!

      At the extreme end I am wondering if the majority of Paul’s letter is strictly to MEN, since we know it was going to the church at Ephesus and, according to Paul, women should have been being silent in the church at minimum and BEING TAUGHT AT HOME as the ideal (1 Cor 14:35). My thinking is that it would have been the MEN of the church that were reading the letter and Paul is telling them not to consider themselves any better than their fellow Christian brothers, but rather to submit to one another out of reverence for Christ, as Christ submitted himself to God and submitted himself to wash the feet of the disciples. To me that act is Jesus showing the disciples that even he, their rabboni, was not above doing the least of jobs and neither should they be!

      The next set of instructions was with regard to husbands and wives, and not the men of the church! Big difference! By taking v21 to mean “husbands and wives submit to one another as well” they have made the next set of verses either a) conflicting or b) useless! Those are both dangerous things to fiddle around with when the bible warns against changing scripture!

      1. interesting thoughts. have you not heard this argument before? it’s been rampant in the church circles i’ve run in for many, many years.

      2. Which argument are you referring to? That the instruction to “submit to one another” is applied to both ALL the members of the church AND husbands and wives? Yes, I have heard that before and I don’t buy it. Even without actually reading and studying the verses it makes no sense to tell everyone to submit to one another then go right into directing a specific group of people to submit to another specific group of people.

        “Everyone gets green tags! Except for you people with red tags! You have to submit to the people with blue tags!”

      3. That the instruction to “submit to one another” is applied to both ALL the members of the church AND husbands and wives?

        yes, this is the one i was referring to.

  3. Wow. I have never heard a pastor tell anyone to ignore this teaching. Rather, the instruction from the pulpit has been that when women submit to their husbands, no matter how hard, they are submitting to God. AND–as such, God is going to take care of them. I wouldn’t attend a congregation where the truth is muddied or people were told to disregard it!

    “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” 2 Timothy 3:16,17 ALL SCIPTURE, not pick as you choose. 😉

    1. I have heard, at least twice, pastors instruct wives that, though Sarah is the example given, there is no need for them to even consider calling their husbands “lord” or “sir”, or exhibiting the kind of “doormat” behavior Sarah exhibited when faced with the situation her husband put her in. Such obedience is not only unheard of but derided! I have also been told by others that the same thing is taught in other churches as well: Sarah is an example, but by no means do women need to “stoop to her level”!

      I recount, again, a meeting of the men’s bible study group I had once been attending in which we were going over the story of Abraham and Sarah. When discussing Abrahams insistence that his wife refer to herself as his sister I pointed out that the bible didn’t indicate that she put up a fuss or a fight, but was obedient, even to the point that she was almost married to the king! The king actually found out in a dream, not because Sarah or Abraham said anything!

      There was a young guy there, quiet as a mouse. He had only been in attendance two or three times prior to this meeting and I knew him to be a bit of a shy person, not very vocal. However, when I brought up this point he was VERY vocal in pointing out how there is no way that could have been true. There is no way a woman was going to be that obedient! Sarah’s obedience was an affront to him, as it is to most Christian men. Why? Because it goes against our feminist training! Men and women in the modern age have had feminism ingrained in them so much during their youth that the idea of biblical submission and obedience from a wife actually being “in everything” and “as unto the Lord” as instructed is too much to handle!

      It takes a very strong and self-aware woman to understand her feminist training, kill it and be obedient to her husband as God has called her to be. It takes a very strong and self-aware man to understand his feminist training, kill it and be responsible for his wife has God has called him to be. Women don’t want to be lead and men don’t want to lead! One doesn’t like be out of control of her own life while the other doesn’t want to bear the responsibility of being responsible for the life of another! Its easy with kids because we are trained from a very young age that children are ignorant and require direction and are under the authority of their parents, but its not so easy with wives because husbands are trained from a very young age that their wives are adults too, and thus, even though they are under authority its not REAL authority, and a man should NEVER try to use his God given authority unless it is to cater to his wife’s desires!

      Its a sad state, but you can see far more examples of this in action if you visit Dalrocks site (http://dalrock.wordpress.com), where he chronicles the modern churches attempts to change the authority structure of marriage and instruct women to be “obedient” but not “OBEDIENT”.

      Also, thanks for the comment, it is much appreciated.

  4. Snapper –
    whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror.

    what do you think it means and are not afraid with any terror?

    1. Hrm, that I do not know. Terror is an overwhelming fear. I’m sure God knows we can be afraid, and wives can be afraid when they are confronted with being obedient and submissive to their husbands, but maybe not to be caught up in terror over being obedient because of ones faith in God?

      I’m sure Sarah was scared over the situation she was placed in, but her faith in God prevented her from being overwhelmed with terror and being disobedient to Abraham.

      I will do some more research on it, but at face value that’s all I can ascertain. I could be way off base.

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